Thursday, May 19, 2011

Gripe Writer


This morning I got into a very minor back-and-forth with Glenn Greenwald on Twitter. I say minor because there's nothing more ridiculously comical than trying to debate someone using 140 characters or less, so I generally avoid it.

Anyway, as expected, one of Greenwald's acolytes turned my comments into an extended blog post because, well, why not, apparently.

Feel free to take a look; it's mildly entertaining.

Fresh Horse: Highly Selective Outrage/5.19.11

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

I hate to say it but Greenwald has a point there Chez.

Web Dunce said...

I don't really get the whole Twitter thing, but I noticed this comment on the sidebar of your little back and forth and almost spit coffee onto the keyboard from laughing!

@skdadl I followed him for a few weeks, to give him a chance. I don't see a coherent political awareness there at all. Just a nasty git. -

Who are these fucking people? I never thought this blog was an exercise in "coherent political awareness" - whatever the Hell that is. I guess I've missed the point laughing my ass off reading you these past three years! Please never change!!

Capt Clown said...

Obviously you only have one choice: Write a 20,000 word rebuttal.

Chez said...

Anon, my issue has never been that Greenwald doesn't make valid points -- it's that he makes the same points over and over. He has two or three subjects that he writes about incessantly; they're generally Obama-and-the-U.S.-are-Guilty-of-Something-or-Other and if you disagree then you're a slave to Obama's cult of personality and you're not as enlightened and intellectually honest as Greenwald himself. Basically, because I simply don't let myself become completely incapacitated by every injustice that Greenwald and his followers deem earth-shattering, I'm somehow shirking my responsibility to make the U.S. the place they think it should be. Coming from Greenwald, incidentally, that's a little amusing given that he throws most of those stones from his home comfortably outside of the U.S.

The Bacon said...

That blogger needs to spend some time with you for a lesson in mockery. He was really bad at it.

Chez said...

Oh, and Web, the kind of thing you're referencing is what I'm talking about. As if I have a responsibility via Twitter or this blog to constantly be bitching about politics. At the very least Greenwald is given a salary to pay attention and complain; In my mind, those who just rail against politically themed injustice 24/7 on the internet are fucking crazy.

Chez said...

But I think I'm gonna use that as a blurb: "Just a nasty git." I like that.

x7o said...

Hi,

Just to let you know, the tweet Web Dunce quoted isn't about Chez.

J. Dack said...

Home boy must have been really bored to go to all that trouble to basically say he thinks you suck.

And apparently VETERAN JOURNALISTS (he burned it into my eyeballs) aren't allowed to be funny. Who knew?

tsisageya said...

This is a place where you and I part company. Greenwald is right, and so is x7o.

You've taken a dislike to Greenwald that I just cannot fathom. I've read some of what you've said about him and I can't stand with you.

I've read Greenwald from the very beginning when he banned me from his site. [By the way, I'm not an acolyte of anyone (that I care to name right now]. He's been a constant and consistent defender of actual rules-of-law and of the Constitution. I've never seen him waver in all these years.

Perhaps he's not your enemy, Chez.

Chez said...

Fair enough, x7o. Thanks for the heads-up.

Chez said...

My dislike for Greenwald isn't a dislike at all, Tsis. Once again, I think he's a very smart guy -- the problem is that, a) I tend to disagree completely with him on the few subjects he finds important above all (Wikileaks, Bradley Manning, Gitmo), and b) he's too smart -- so smart in fact that all of his arguments come from an almost strictly academic perspective. What I mean is that, yes, he's "intellectually honest," but in being so -- as I've said over and over -- he seems to disregard the fact that there are real-world consequences to the stands he takes that are incredibly self-defeating. He lives in an all-or-nothing world in which everything must be a certain way because, well,that's just the way it should be, dammit. There's never any compromise, even though a certain amount of give and take is inevitable and required in the world the rest of us inhabit.

And yeah, actually, it does kind of bug me that he's so self-righteous in his absolutism about the faults of America in general and Obama in particular -- and yet most of his supposedly courageous stands are taken far away from U.S. soil.

tsisageya said...

and yet most of his supposedly courageous stands are taken far away from U.S. soil.

I wonder why that might be, Chaz.

I, myself, often wish I could be far away from U.S. soil. VERY far away. And I would no longer give one single shit for "America".

Glenn, on the other hand, seems to actually give more than one shit for the rule-of-motherfucking-LAW and the motherfucking "Constitution", far fucking AWAY from motherfucking U.S. SOIL though he may motherfucking BE.

Yes. I'm PISSED tonight.

Chez said...

I tend not to give too much credence to people who can't read the name written in the top right hand corner of the main page, but in your case I'll make an exception.

Instead what I'll do is base my unwillingness to give you much credence on every ridiculous thing you said after fucking up my name.

tsisageya said...

I know! Typos, right? I must be a douche.

Chez said...

No, I didn't call you a douche because of the typo, remember? Actually I didn't call you a douche at all -- but that unbelievably dumb rant makes me take you a hell of a lot less seriously.

tsisageya said...

No, Chez, you didn't call me a douche. I called myself a douche because you brought it up. That's because I'm humble and, when need arises, snarky. You know what "snarky" is don't you, CHEZ?

Just put your lips together and BLOW.

Chez said...

Sure thing.

tsisageya. said...

P.S. My name is TSISA GEYA not tsis.

Go ahead. Make a comeback. You may be humored by yourself.

Chez said...

I didn't feel like typing out your entire name. I figured you'd get the idea who I was talking about.

tsisageya said...

I know. It's a weird name. I understand.

paleotectonics said...

In fairness, and I don't have a dog in this race - I think you (Chez) are a ton of fun, but I read and like Greenwald often - but in regards to his residency, he spends half the year with his husband in S. America (Brazil?) and half the year with his nothing-in-47-states in the US. I can see where that would leave someone rather annoyed.

And yes, twitter debates are generally pointless, unless everyone involved has a proficiency in leet-speak that I myself do not possess nor want.

John Foley said...

I find Greenwald to be incredibly boring.
Yes, he's very intelligent and yes he has his convictions. The problem is that his convictions are SO pure and inviolable that they have little relation to the real world. This inflexibility works out well for him, because this unwavering steadfastness means that NO ONE will ever, ever be ideologically pure enough. I guarantee that if Dennis Kucinich was elected President and Jane Hamsher were his VP, Greenwald would figure out a way to show that they were just as corrupt and venal as George W. Bush. He already thinks Obama is just as bad as Bush ever was, and the two men could scarcely be more different.
Also, doesn't he have a rather messy history with sockpuppet accounts? Not exactly the height of intellectual honesty there.

namron said...

Well, I 've just given up 10 minutes of my consciousness that I will never get back. And if Saturday is the final curtain, I could have used it to cash advance all of my credit cards to buy freeze-dried food and ammunition.

Mart said...

To be fair to Greenwald, while sticking to the same policy points over and over, he ties these policies to their far reaching consequences. Gitmo = terrorist recruitment = endless war = $1.2 trillion annual security budget = chasing a couple thousand Muslim radicals stationed who knows where = unlimi... oh hell even trying to shorten him up takes forever. Still, his motives appear purer to me than most journalists.