Okay, is it horrible that I'm getting Skid Row flashbacks? It's at least partially the hair, and the guitar that hints more at 80s rock than punk.Then again, she's 16, what does she know about punk?
Yeah -- there is a sort of hair metal feel to it.
She's 16??? Now I feel dirty. She's kinda leggy. Def some hair metal feel.
Then again, she's 16, what does she know about punk?That's a stupid statement. The majority of the audience for the Ramones in the 70's were teenagers, as for Black Flag in the 80's, and Jawbreaker in the 90's. Even today, there's still a thriving punk scene under the radar made up of teens and adults alike (see: the Fest in Gainesville.)
You're missing the point. A 16 year old now generally doesn't know a damn thing about punk precisely because he or she has never heard of the Ramones, Black Flag, etc.
Monsieur Chez is astute, as is often the case. Regarding both the clip and the 1:02 pee-em comment.
Well when the Ramones started making music, they hadn't heard of themselves either. (As in, you don't need to know them to make punk music.) The greater point is that this is a chick from gossip girl, and the song is probably part of a four tiered plan to leverage her brand across markets... that's why this can't be real punk.
And you can add the fact that within the last 10-15 years the understanding word 'punk' has been skewed to cover what is essentially pop music by people wearing clothes from Hot Topic.I've got a sister who's 10 years younger than me and we have distinctly different perceptions of what constitutes punk music due to our ages.
I didn't know punk was strapped into the confines of only that hailing from the late 70's-early 80's. Another close relative and often imbred partner of Punk - Ska has had multiple genres ("waves") of resurgence. Like everything in life - ebb + flow. and how do you real PUNK fans real about New Wave? eh?
You're missing the point. A 16 year old now generally doesn't know a damn thing about punk precisely because he or she has never heard of the Ramones, Black Flag, etc.I actually think that your missing point. Punk has a long history. In fact, it pretty much started out as a fashion. However, my meaning of punk stems from the DIY ethic that began in the early 80's where the scene was built around unknown hardcore bands and independent labels and zines and so forth. Let me say that I am in no way defending Taylor. Again, it seems to be more about fashion than anything.I just think that the idea of 16 year olds knowing nothing about punk is pretty stupid. The whole concept, to me atleast, is about youth empowerment. And although the music at times can be cynical, we can do pretty much anything we want. I'm 20 now, but I've been a fan of the genre since I was 12. Sure, it started with Green Day, but from there evolved into Fat Wreck Bands, and from there the pioneers of punk, and now I'm heavily involved in the modern punk scene, with bands, labels, and fans alike operating very similar to how they did in the 80's. With MANY teenagers involved.To say that kids don't know a damn thing about punk because they aren't aware of these bands seems pretty close-minded. I can make a similar argument by saying that you don't know a damn thing about punk precisely because you never heard of This Bike is a Pipe Bomb, Dillinger Four, or Against Me!It's a culture inspired and led by pissed-off youth. Not leather jackets and street cred.
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