Tuesday, February 23, 2010

Quote of the Day


"It's sad the incident in Texas happened, but by the same token, it’s an agency that is unnecessary and when the day comes when that is over and we abolish the IRS, it’s going to be a happy day for America... I can tell you I’ve been audited by the IRS and I’ve had the sense of 'why is the IRS in my kitchen.' Why do they have their thumb in the middle of my back? ... It is intrusive and we can do a better job without them entirely."

-- Republican representative Steve King of Iowa commenting on the crash of a plane into a building in Austin, Texas last week by a man who had a grudge against the IRS


Yeah, this guy had a real point there, Steve-O. So fuck the dozens of innocent people who happened to be in the building working for the IRS when Joseph Andrew Stack decided to slam a plane into it -- people who, like it or not, work for the exact same government you do. Fuck Vernon Hunter, the IRS employee and Vietnam vet Stack actually killed.

It goes completely without saying that if Joe Stack's name had been Mohammed Abdul Whatever-the-hell, King would be doing a fucking burlesque show on Fox News every hour on the hour, screaming to high heaven about how we need to outlaw Muslims, close all the airports and erect a wall around New York City, turning it into the one maximum security prison for the entire country. Oh, and it would all be Obama's fault for being soft on terrorists just like the guy who crashed a plane into a government office and killed an American citizen.

Jesus Christ, what an insanely irresponsible prick.

38 comments:

Dave B. said...

Now, see, if we had just elected Ron Paul as President, none of this would be happening.

idiosynchronic said...

Oh, and adopted the FairTax (TM) and sold off the IRS and its employees to the highest bidder.

King's not my Rep., but I don't know how my brethren in the Western portion of the state don't do something drastic every time this fuckstick opens his mouth.

Anonymous said...

Jesus Christ, what insanely irresponsible voters.

Sheriff Bart said...

If you squint, he looks like Hanibal Lector

Tuba Terry said...

@Dave: If Stack hadn't decided to take people's lives over money, none of this would be happening.

Sheriff Bart said...

No, not Lector. Maybe Victor Maitland.

Narbe said...

I think whenever one of these douche-bag right-wing idiots make statements the headline should be something along the lines of "And now, from today's moronic/retarded, sexually frustrated--very possibly gay and afraid to admit it so I'll instead persecute them instead, resentful, self-loathing, product of a fucked-up upbringing, waste of life loser."

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in thinking this.

Chez said...

You so get the Reference of the Week award, Bart.

SteveR said...

Nothing like using a tragedy to advance your agenda.

By the way, who here believes that this guy doesn't represent a huge percentage of Americans?

I fear for you guys.

Deacon Blue said...

I'm kind of curious how this guy thinks the federal government would fund pork in his district, pay his salary, and keep our oversized military WITHOUT the IRS pulling in taxes...

Chez said...

There's no dumber, more short-sighted pie-in-the-sky notion than that we shouldn't have to pay taxes. Fucking ridiculous. I've always said, I'm willing to pay to keep my government -- federal, state and local -- running. I'm also willing to pay to ensure that every American has good health care, because not only is that the humane and moral thing to do, it's good for the country to have a healthy populace -- everyone benefits from that to some extent and it's myopic to think otherwise. But what I don't want to have to pay for is asinine pork that serves mostly to line the pockets of hack lawmakers. Smaller government isn't as important and smarter, more efficient government.

Chez said...

Steve, my official copy editor, has informed me that it should be, "Smaller government isn't as important AS smarter, more efficient government."

He's right of course, but in the comment section I really don't care about typos.

SteveR said...

Not only dumb and shortsighted, but childish.

A lot of the idiotic behavior of today's adults can be explained by the realization that they still want to live like children, being able to do whatever they want without having to pay for it.

Che Grovera said...

Joe Stack was the devil, Steve King is an idiot. Now with that out of the way, would it be possible to acknowledge that there might be the germ of a good idea in abolishing -- or at least redirecting -- the IRS? Forget the fools who somehow believe that ending the income tax would end all taxation, but a huge portion of the complexity and burden of our current tax code comes from having to define income -- and that's what puts an agency like the IRS all up in our shit. The U.S. Income Tax is still less than 100 years old, and there are alternative ways for government to be funded...not that there is or would be sufficient political will in the elected class to stop putting the screws to what's left of the middle class.

Chez said...

Oh I'm not defending the IRS. I don't think any American likes what they do and how they do it. The whole fucking agency should be severely overhauled.

MPP said...

scrap the agency and institute the FairTax or a Flat Tax.

Chez said...

Yup, and while you're at it, repeal the law of gravity. You sure one of those Ps in your name doesn't stand for 'pipe dream?'

Anonymous said...

King IS an idiot.
Having said that, there are much better ways to raise revenue than through an income tax, especially our current structure that is used by politicians to sell favors in the form of tax breaks.
Frankly, I'm surprised that there aren't a lot more people like Joe Stack. Receiving repeated anal probes from the IRS is certainly not pleasant. For someone who is a little unstable to begin with, it's easy to see how that may push them over the edge.

MPP said...

i'd wager it's more likely that the IRS gets scrapped and a VAT-style tax instituted before pork does, but i'm not attacking your good idea because of it.

Anonymous said...

How many people have become homeless, had their lives torn apart, and lost everything - sometimes leading to their death - because of the IRS? Joe Stack killed himself and 1 other person, while I would contest that the IRS has done much more damage to the people of this nation during its existence. I'm sorry to hear about Mr. Hunter, but so very glad that someone finally did something to wake people up and get them thinking about this. And I'm also very glad that only 1 person died. That's pretty incredible, and possibly a reason to celebrate. Attention is being paid to a major issue affecting this nation and it only cost 1 innocent life.

The American Revolution cost many many lives, but in the end are we not a better nation for it? No one sits around mourning for the lives lost during that part of our nation's history. Instead, we celebrate it as our independence. In essence, we are celebrating a gain for us as a whole rather than mourning the deaths that resulted.

We can only hope that Mr. Hunter's death actually causes some action such that situations like this don't have to happen again.

And frankly, I'm surprised no one has taken similar actions against other large social problems - such as health insurance providers. It would take a mighty fleet of planes and people to kill even a fraction of a percent of the lives these companies have taken away from this nation. I'm getting a bit off topic here, but who would take the heat if this were to happen? Let's say someone who watched their spouse die of cancer while the insurance companies denied their claims flew a plane into a health care providers HQs. Let's say they killed 100 people, but fast tracked health care reform as a result. Is 100 lives worth 100,000? 1 million?

How many people has the IRS screwed over? If 1 innocent life is the cost of accelerating needed change, I think it's worth it. Instead I think this nation should concentrate on using this opportunity to make that change happen.

MPP said...

i am the much-vaunted libertarian extremist that chez seems to think typifies the ivory towers of higher education, but i can't get onboard with attempted murder as a political goal.

your comparison to the american revolution is faulty at best. the revolutionaries were fighting british soldiers, not civilians. whether or not you think the IRS is a terrible institution, even an extortionate one at that, they are not military targets - they are civilians. your fight against the IRS isn't at the end of a gun, but at the end of a ballot.

flying a plane into the IRS's building or UnitedHealthCare's building is a cowardly act of terrorism best thought of in the same breath as 9/11 and suicide bombings of nightclubs, not the heroic American Revolution.

hunter's not a martyr, he's a terrorist, and we are better without him. he's not george washington, he's ted kaczynski.

Chez said...

That's a real easy position to take when you hide behind the convenient "Anonymous" tag. I'd think you'd want to take full possession of such wisdom, but hey, what do I know?

Your entire argument is asinine, bordering on thoroughly reprehensible; it sounds like the articulate but ultimately ass-backward raving of a new breed of would-be American Revolutionary (even if you don't consider yourself one and are speaking from a perspective that's supposedly safely detached).

I'll bet that if you asked Vernon Hunter if he was willing to volunteer to be the first martyr for such a ridiculous cause, he would've said, not a chance. I doubt he'd be "celebrating." And that's the thing: freedom, the kind of freedom I'm betting you hold very dear, stipulates that you don't get to decide who lives and who dies, regardless of how noble you believe the cause that someone dies for to be. Human lives have never been subject to a balance sheet, as logical as that may seem sometimes -- because, once again, the people who tend to die for causes in revolutions also tend to not want to. There's no "greater good" to be considered when innocents are killed against their will.

The only people defending this asshole and reveling in the fact that his act of lunacy has started a "conversation" about the IRS are sociopaths who believe that, boo-hoo, because they've had issues with the IRS and they're not alone, that means it's okay to kill innocent Americans, or people with a political agenda, like Steve King.

For the record, the only reason I printed your comment is so everyone can fully understand that there are people like you out there -- Americans (and I'll assume you're American) who feel completely justified in declaring war on and sacrificing the lives of other Americans because they claim to know what's best for this country.

And deny it if you'd like, as reasonable as you may sound, that's exactly what you're doing.

Chez said...

By the way, you just made the exact same argument that al Qaeda and the al Aqsa martyrs brigade make when they call themselves "freedom fighters" and not terrorists. Hope you're okay with that, since you seem to accept that murder is occasionally logical and justified for what a single person or small group considers to be best for everyone.

Stack was a terrorist. A terrorist who targeted an agency few people are fans of, but a terrorist nonetheless. Period.

Chez said...

Not ashamed to agree with you completely on this one, MPP. And you make a great point: Only a by-definition terrorist and coward attacks a civilian target.

Anonymous said...

Sure, the insurance companies are milking our crony capitalist system for as much as they can get, but they aren't the real culprits for our ridiculously expensive health care. Health care, just like any other commodity, is subject to the law of supply and demand. Current government policies simultaneously restrict supply while increasing demand, resulting in an upward price spiral. This has made routine health care so expensive that most of us need insurance.

MPP said...

I may a bit extreme in my views, but I condemn unequivocally the true nutbags on both sides - those cheering on Stack, the Jews Did 9/11 crowd, the Westboro Baptist Church, crazy Communists, and the Obama Birthers alike. I imagine you do too.

Chez said...

Indeed.

kanye said...

Only a by-definition terrorist and coward attacks a civilian target.

Given how we're using predator drones in Pakistan, what does that say about us?

Chez said...

That argument's been used before and it's a false-equivalence. We don't specifically aim for civilian targets. I'm not saying accidentally hitting civilians is excusable, but from a moral standpoint we're not actually setting out to kill unarmed innocents.

Anonymous said...

I'm not the later anonymouses posting here, but the first, and I don't agree with or support what they have said. I am just not internetty enough to have a url of my own, nor do I have an openid, whatever the hell that is. I guess I will have to get one, though, now that my cleverly chosen anonymous screen name has been usurped by those arrivistes.

While I'm here, I'll say something about taxes. I worked for a government agency for over 35 years. I worked hard and so did most of my colleagues. I was raised in a family of military, diplomatic, manufacturing, post office and other typical workers. We all paid our taxes and somehow did not end up with tax troubles. Whatever tax you have, someone will pull an end run on the system. The VAT and the flat tax are probably just more efforts to have a simple answer to a complex question. I read every work of Stark's rant. He seems to have gotten in trouble to begin with by joining a group that thought they should not have to pay taxes. That kind of exceptionalism/grandiosity pretty much predicts trouble a-brewin'!

And now, off to create some kind of cloaking device for registering to comment.

Amanda said...

Stack's daughter has basically defended her father and called him a hero. Although, she disagrees with the manner in which he raged against the machine, it's still a slap in the face to Vernon Hunter's family.

I read Vernon Hunter's son's response to Stack's daughter's "hero" comment and it's absolutely heart wrenching.

It's a real shame that media doesn't focus on Vernon Hunter and what he contributed to our country. He was the real hero.

Chez said...

Actually, Stack's daughter took that back when she learned that Vernon was killed. She then called Vernon the hero.

Salon put it well: The woman had just lost her father; of course she was inclined to portray him in the best possible light.

kanye said...

But we're not accidently hitting civilians. Our UAV kill ratio is somewhere between 10 and 14-to-1; we kill between 10 and 14 civilians for every suspected terrorist.

With an expected collateral damage rate exceeding 90%, the claim that we're targetting terrorists and unfortunate innocents are accidentally getting caught in the crossfire doesn't bear scrutiny. As a matter of fact, it indicates exactly the opposite: We are targetting civilian locations where we believe there may be terrorists as well, and we find it acceptable to kill a dozen civilians as long as we get the bad guy.

I don't see the false equivalence, Chez.

gpbusaf said...

Someone must have said this already but here it goes, this is a terrible tragedy, my condolences go out to the family of Vernon Hunter who so graciously severed ,maybe even against his own will in Vietnam.
But on the other hand I agree that the IRS is intrusive. WHAT STACK DID IS WRONG. Don't misjudge me on that. But the IRS needs a complete over haul.
I read one one of the comments that the reason we need it is to pay for government employees and an over sized military.
I agree government employees get paid to much. I disagree with the fact that our military is too big, because we in fact need a military or else we will be over taken. The military is the number one employer in the nation. It helps youth born into bad areas achieve something of them selves if they so choose to.
Getting rid of social programs, stopping spending with money we don't have among other things is actually why people don't like the IRS.

I am not Star Jones said...

I take it Steve King could never imagine someone crashing a plane into his place of work because they felt he wasn't necessary.

I wish Barry Goldwater were alive to see and hear this shit.

Deacon Blue said...

Actually, gpbusaf, govt. employees don't get paid too much most of the time. The vast majority of govt. employees are working schlumps like most of us, and the best thing they have going for them is better benefits, probably, than the average person, for which I don't fault them one bit.

Our military IS oversized. The main reason we need to protect ourselves so much is because we stick our noses into places it doesn't belong too often, and we interfere with nations and governments across the globe.

Frankly, the money going to the military would be BETTER spend on social programs that ensured people had healthcare, good schooling, safe food and water, and all that fun stuff. If we spent more time taking care of our own than trying to change the world, terrorists wouldn't bother with us.

Yes, we need a military, and one that is well equipped and ready to go...but the one we have is bloated, and if we spent the money domestically (and wisely), it wouldn't NEED to be such a big employer.

becky said...

good lord all i can do is face palm to half of the comments on here. sigh.

60ft6in said...

kanye said...
"But we're not accidently hitting civilians. Our UAV kill ratio is somewhere between 10 and 14-to-1; we kill between 10 and 14 civilians for every suspected terrorist."

I don't have the numbers, but I am extremely confident that the drones are killing more terrorists than civilians. I recently purchased more Northrup Grumman and Raytheon stock. Stock up on drones! I am no Adnan Khashoggi. When I travel overseas I do not have any fighter aircraft, aircraft carriers, tanks, or drones in my backpack. I might have a copy of Aviation Week and Space Technology with me. Keep those dividend checks coming! I was in the USAF from 1970 to 1974. Peace is our profession.