Thursday, November 20, 2008

Quote of the Week


"Look, I think there is a gay and secular fascism in this country that wants to impose its will on the rest of us, is prepared to use violence, to use harassment. I think it is prepared to use the government if it can get control of it. I think that it is a very dangerous threat to anybody who believes in traditional religion. And I think if you believe in historic Christianity, you have to confront the fact. And, frank -- for that matter, if you believe in the historic version of Islam or the historic version of Judaism, you have to confront the reality that these secular extremists are determined to impose on you acceptance of a series of values that are antithetical, they're the opposite, of what you're taught in Sunday school."

-- Irrelevant asshole Newt Gingrich, proving Kathleen Parker's point splendidly (as well as the fact that it will go largely ignored by the GOP)

(h/t Amato by way of Cesca)

19 comments:

William "Papa" Meloney said...

Sadly, I don't believe that the grass-roots GOP members will let "it go largely ignored." Here in my corner of the Bible-belt they are buying guns and puttin' up stores of non-perishables. It is really frightening.

Chez said...

I meant that Kathleen Parker's point will go largely ignored -- in other words, that the behavior you're seeing right now will flourish.

Fifth Generation Leftist said...

What the fuck does "historic" mean? People who believe in stoning, multiple wives, opressive patriarchy?

DeadBessie said...

I am not understanding the fear here. Shouldn't your OWN belief be all that matters?

For the record, Newt, "secular" does not equal "evil" or "satanic". For me, being secular only means that I believe religion should stay out of government. Why do you feel so damned threatened by non-Christians? I think you'll find that pretty much the majority of even us atheists still believe in being a decent human being, and not for any heavenly reward, but because it's the moral thing to do.

I don't know if you've noticed, but Christians have pretty much always been in charge of the government, have been known to impose their own values on everyone else, and yes, have even used violence to achieve their aims. If these "secular extremists" want the opposite of that, I'm all for it.

Shut your paranoid ass up.

Anonymous said...

OMG, there are so many double standards in Newt's little blurb there it is just down right funny. And in response to what William said, but in no way defending the GOP, because, God knows I would never do that; me and my wife talked about buy a gun if McCain was elected because we felt like how I am sure many bible pushers feel - frightened to the point of fricken hysteria. The difference is that we see a general acceptance of how things should be - rights for all people regardless of race and sexual orientation and beliefs, but also not bending over backwards to those that have money and power, which is what the last eight years have been all about. And the people who think McCain and Bush are just wonderful people are the people afraid of losing that power or worse yet giving a voice to people of taboo beliefs or religious beliefs that seem alien to their Christian Anerica which we have brainwashed ourselves into believing that we are. So it is funny to me when Newt talks about radical Islam, well, what about radical Christians who drowned people in rivers to see if they were witches and let us not forget the cruisades. Please Newt, yes, things are changing the only difference is that they will change for the better for EVERYONE and not just the select few that belong to the GOP club.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps Newt would like to read, if he can, a little book called "Christianity - How the church Has Exploited the Myth of Christ". It may make him feel differently about "traditional religion". What you're taught in Sunday School is exactly the way the church wants you to believe but it's not the truth.

Anonymous said...

Okay. That's it. I'm sick of all this demonization and all these accusations. I'm going to do what the Christians THINK I'm going to do, grab a machete, hit the nearest church, and start my Thanksgiving carving early!

...

No I'm not. I'm gonna listen to Satan is My Motor by Cake 10 times and fume. Because that's what us "Secular progressives" tend to do. Violence? Intimidation. After Barack Obama was elected several Black churches were burned down. After prop 8 banned gay marriage in California the gays marched around a lot looking FABULOUS and said some mean things about the mormons. The idea that secular people are an existential threat to Christians is beyond just paranoid, it's obviously delusional. Secularists want to smoke pot and have extra-marital sex and enjoy ironic humor. We want peace and health care for all and God out of the schools. How is any but the last antithetical to the demands of Christianity?

Love thy neighbor as thyself? Definitely.

Don't murder, steal, lie, or cheat, and honor your parents? Sounds reasonable.

Heck we even follow the first commandment, we just lop off the last two words from it.

The threat we pose is pure fantasy, and no matter how often they beat us up, say horrible nasty vicious things about us, and generally act like pricks we will continue not to pose a threat because we believe in freedom of speech and religious belief and we just want the freedom to do the things we want to do, not the right to dictate to others what they can do. Wanna spend Sunday morning on your knees in front of a pastor? Go crazy! I know a fair number of gay fellows who have the same predilection.

Grr.

Satan is my motor. Hear my Motor purr.

Cake makes it better.

Soulless Merchant of Fear said...

Chez, there were some typos in that. Lemme see...

"Look, I think there is a Christian fascism in this country that wants to impose its will on the rest of us, is prepared to use violence, to use harassment. I think it is prepared to use the government if it can regain control of it. I think that it is a very dangerous threat to anybody who believes in Enlightenment values. And I think if you believe in the values of the Enlightenment, you have to confront the fact. And, frank -- for that matter, if you believe in the historic values of the Founding Fathers, you have to confront the reality that these Christian extremists are determined to impose on you acceptance of a series of values that are antithetical, they're the opposite, of what's right."

There. Fixed it for you.

...Man, these bastards sure aren't acquainted with the psychological phenomenon of "projection," are they.

B8ovin said...

Equal rights is imposing will. By changing their sexual orientation from a mental illness to an accepted human right they are imposing their will. By asking to be able to invest their futures in one another just as Newt asked his sick wife to release him so he could invest his future in another woman, they are imposing their will. And it's all fascist. Equal rights for women and feminists are fascists. Labor unions are fascist. King David's son, King Solomon, who imposed a national workers imperative (read SLAVERY) was an historic Jewish leader in the inviolate Bible, but he wasn't a fascist imposing his will. The Babylonians? Fascists.

And let's not forget that historic Christianity is NOT an oxymoron, because Christianity has always been one thing with one set of rules and one interpretation of the Bible, just like Islam and Judaism have been with their own holy scribbles. Which means of course, that what you're taught or not taught in Sunday school is the absolute truth or nonsense, respectively.

Jeni said...

I seem to vaguely remember hearing something once about seperation of church and state. Or did I dream it?

megbon said...

Not to belabor the point that I'm making mostly to myself, but how about we revisit a 2005 Kathleen Parker column:

"If you were a Big Picture sort gazing at America through a wide-angle lens, you might begin to wonder: Why the big rush to fascism? For a nation that prides itself on freedom, even seeking to infect other countries, we're terribly busy undermining our own. How? Specifically, by destroying the family."

Guess what she thinks destroys the family?

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/kathleen/parker070105.php3

Chez said...

Meg -- I get your point (which you are sort of belaboring, but that's alright). Understand though that I'm not penciling in Parker for the Nobel Peace Prize short list. I'm well aware of the beliefs she's espoused in the past and don't think they should be forgotten. That said, they don't make yesterday's column any less powerful. In fact, some might argue they make it more powerful. Certainly when it comes to its potential impact.

Anonymous said...

Traditional religion? What church Newt attended taught him in Sunday school that led to three wives (the first his high school teacher, hmm), at least one affair and 84 ethics charges?

He who lives in a glass house...

RottweilerTOM said...

I really do not know who I hate more: this douchebag or Dick Morris. And yes, hate is a strong word but yet, so apropos

Anonymous said...

call them what they are - Christian Taliban. how much more fascist can you get?

Anonymous said...

Religion whining about people unfairly imposing their will on others... is this hypocrisy or irony?

votar said...

Tom hates dick?

Anonymous said...

Jesus was a Jew.

RottweilerTOM said...

This one, yes. Very much so. And I have seen my share of phony Dicks before. Some Dicks are huge phonies, other Dicks are small phonies...either way, I hate this Dick.