
I almost didn't watch the debate last night.
I figured I'd already made up my mind and nothing John McCain did short of looking into the camera and offering me, Chez Pazienza, a few hundred-grand for my vote would make me reconsider my decision, even for a moment. McCain's campaign is so dead-in-the-water -- I already know everything I need to about him: he's sunk to ethical and judgmental depths over the past several weeks that it would take a backhoe to dig him out from -- that forcing myself to listen to his desperate and shaky-voiced pandering for an hour and a half would be nothing more than an exercise in the worst kind of masochism. Anyone with a brain knows where things stand right now, and that last night wasn't likely to change minds either way. As much as the media play up the vast reservoir of prized "undecideds" supposedly still up for grabs, the reality is that most people -- not all, but most -- have already made up their minds which side they're on.
I know I have -- so why bother suffering through the debate (or one half of it, anyway)?
This was what I said to myself at 8:55PM last night.
By 9:03PM my curiosity had gotten the best of me and I was sitting in front of my computer in bed, watching the live streaming feed of the thing.
It turned out to be everything I'd expected.
As he did during the last debate, Barack Obama remained cool, focused and, yes, presidential. He had a strong command of the issues and delivered his points with commendable precision. You never for a moment got the impression that Obama didn't know exactly what he was talking about. My only complaint, and this is one that I've had from the beginning, is that from a strictly political perspective, he should allow the personality that his supporters know is such a potent feature of his -- the one that has convinced so many to both hope and fight for a brighter tomorrow -- to shine through more often. I say this because, when juxtaposed with McCain's grouchy-old-guy routine, nothing -- nothing -- would provide a greater contrast between the two candidates.
Speaking of Mccain -- well, there's really not much more anyone can say.
Except maybe this: From a purely physical standpoint, never before has his age been so apparent as it was last night. He looked not simply old but elderly. He shuffled stiffly around the circular stage; he rarely raised his voice above a silky whisper; he repeated phrases (and not just the drinking-game-worthy entreatment, "my friends"); he did an apparent impression of Tim Conway's "Old Man" character by inexplicably wandering around aimlessly during Obama's turn to answer questions; he looked, well -- feeble.
Feeble, but still bitter.
As I've said before, McCain truly believes that he's entitled to become president. It's what he's been working toward most of his adult life (a fact which proves that his Snow Bunny running mate doesn't have the monopoly on naked ambition within their ticket). McCain has run his campaign ineptly almost since the beginning; he's been a true believer in the kind of corporate ass-kissing, politics-for-profit, free-market-as-the-ultimate-good that got us into this economic mess we're currently in; he's made bad judgment call after strangely erratic and random decision; he's done all of this and more -- and on top of that, he's been petty, disdainful and condescending to his opponent -- and yet he still believes that America should roll over and give him what he wants. He still believes he's the best man for the job. He makes claims like, "I can win wars. I can catch bin Laden. I can fix the economy," and expects that we accept this on faith and take him at his word, when the reality is that if he really could do any of the above and hadn't attempted to do it yet in his role as a senator, he'd be guilty of, at the very least incompetence, at most treason.
Last night, he brought up all of these supposed skills yet again -- while not just dismissing the ideas of his opponent but insulting him by referring to him as "that one" (a special brand of exclusionary rudeness and incivility that I've never seen exhibited by a presidential candidate, likely because it doesn't belong anywhere in the thought processes or lexicon of a presidential candidate).
Add to that the fact that McCain blew off a handshake with Obama at the end of the debate and it's more proof that the former simply isn't in possession of the ideas, the skills, or the sense of decorum necessary to be President of the United States.
But then, we knew that going into last night's debate.
And John McCain did nothing to change anyone's mind -- as expected.
Wednesday, October 08, 2008
All Over but the Flouting
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Obama killed mccain last night!!!!
Home run!!!!!
Wasn't the group at this debate/town supposedly composed of undecided voters?
It is incredibly to me that there is anyone with a pulse who has not decided, unless they are living in a media blackout and have put off a decision. Don't know how one would achieve that, but that is the only scenario I can envision.
And some of the questions were not from people who were undecided. The petty officer? Please, his question was the standard GOP criticism of the Dems. There were others, but that one really sticks out right now for me.
Hell, he was even condescending to the town hall audience, with the comment to Oliver that "you probably never heard of Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae before this financial crisis."
Might be true, might not...but a bad thing to assume when you're directly addressing the guy who asked the question as you say it.
Precisely (my friend).
My wife said one of the greatest things I've ever heard her say. In response to the "Steady hand on the tiller" cliché she said "McCain is a shaky hand on a red button." God I love that chick.
_RobF
I tried to watch it, but simply couldn't finish, so missed the snub at the end. Not that it matters at this point; I've come to expect nothing but rudeness from McCain these days.
He's definitely taken pages from the playbook of the 2000 presidential campaign, using the tactics Bush once used against him. Only problem is, Obama's actually a decent person.
The question I liked (one that McCain dodged and Obama only partially addressed) was the one about the sacrifices the populous made during the great depression and WWII as a group effort, and what did the candidates think was necessary now.
More of a question for us than them.
I'm tired of everybody saying we're number one and we'll get through this... number one at what?!!! We import almost all of our durable goods, we're embarrassingly low on the world education stats, our cars aren't the best, our electronics suck, our foreign policy is the equivalent of a schoolyard bully... etc. so what are we the best at? Being selfish, entitled children?
I still haven't heard how much that fine is going to be, HENGGHEH?
Weren't we paying attention when Braveheart taught us about the dangers of having a leper run a country?
What I would like to know (as would my husband, who is a proud Navy veteran), was why the Navy guy in the audience didn't ask McCain point blank why he should take McCain's word (on faith, no less) that he will" take care of the veterans" when his voting record shows the absolute OPPOSITE. Why didn't the "military guy" in the audience ask about McCain's pathetic public record of turning his back on the very people to whom his campaign panders? It was such a bullshit, softball question, my husband had to get up and walk out of the room (all while muttering that if McCain patted him on the shoulder like that he would break his hand).
And John McCain did nothing to change anyone's mind -- as expected.
Not so Chez! After last night's debate a very good friend of mine finally decided NOT to vote McCain.
If ANYONE referred to me as "that one," I would raise hell like nothing you've ever seen. That is the equivalent of snapping your fingers at a waitress or referring to me as "young lady." Rude, condescending and disgusting. The old fucker probably couldn't remember Obama's name.
It was hard to tell, but McCain did shake Obama's hand. He then practically dashed out of the room. I thought last night's debate covered about the same ground as the first debate - same answers, same accusations, same ripostes. McCain tried a new mortgage bailout ploy, but it was too little, too late.
My girlfriend actually started to get ill and had to leave the room, but I stayed to the bitter end. While I don't think either guy knocked the ball out of the park so to speak. Obama missed chances on multiple occassions (especially during the question about sacrifice) to drive home the point that you can't both cut taxes for those who can afford to pay them, and fund necessary "entitlement" programs (I hate that word by the way, it degrades programs that are matters of simple human dignity, and, in the case of social security, that workers have paid into their whole lives). Much less fund the kind of new public works type program that will both improve the economy and our national infrastructure (remember that the national highway system was funded as a matter of national defense), including research funding to improve our energy infrastructure. Also, just once I want the Democrats to turn that "pork barrel" earmark jab on its ear. I wanted to hear Barrack say "Yes, Senator McCain, I did earmark $3 million for a planetarium projector. I want to fund education, not cut corporate taxes on oil companies making windfall profits while foisting unfunded mandates on our already strapped school systems."
The "that one" jab at the beginning was also especially disgusting. He might as well have come straight out and called him "boy" (he could always spin that as a jab at his inexperience, right?), because it was clearly a thinly-veiled racist remark. McCain won't come right out and spew the racist garbage and outright lies his supporters are circulating in e-mails daily (that's what Sarah Palin is for). But you can bet that his choice of "that one" was calculated to appeal to that crowd. Or he slipped up and let his racist side shine through the cracks a little. This is, after all, the man who still refers to Asians as "gooks".
"It was hard to tell, but McCain did shake Obama's hand. He then practically dashed out of the room."
Hey, for an old guy, that's a long time without a pee break.
McCain looked like Mr. Burns from the Simpsons! If a stiff breeze blew into the auditorium, he would have fallen over. I cant understand how folks dont see the difference between what McCain wants for America and what Obama wants. If anything, you should be voting to keep Palin out of the VP slot because McCain aint going to make it and then you got slutty, psycho retarded librarian running the country!
Last night I swear that McCain was channeling Bush. When I looked away from the TV, the voices sounded nearly identical minus Bush's accent. That's scary enough by itself. I agree that he looked old and feeble, doing that old man shuffle. The one comment that made me almost change the channel was the comment where McCain actually identified (or tried to) with being poor. I couldn't believe it! The man has never been poor in his life, or known what it was like to struggle, to choose between buying food or paying a bill. It's an absolute insult to anyone who has ever been there.
As for Brokaw, I was not impressed. If he'd had his head any farther up McCain's ass he could have been speaking for him. He was asking questions that seemed more about him than about what a good deal of voters want to know. Not to mention the snark with which he dismissed requests for a chance at rebuttal, and cut speakers off. Next time, he should actually act like a journalist and at least feign his impartiality instead of not even bothering to hide his disdain.
I thought Obama squandered a huge opportunity to show that he is the better candidate. He had a few moments of great specificity, but overall gave the same mini-speeches that he put forth in the last debate. He should have been much more specific, and for someone lauded as a great speaker, he sure did pause and almost stutter quite a bit in trying to answer the questions.
Also, does he or do hiw people not read HuffPost? I don't know if it was published elsewhere, but there was a very inciteful article explaining that the areas where the "Surge" supposedly worked were actually cleared out before we got there. I really think he needs to refute the claims McCain makes against him. He's leaving too much unanswered. Like, the "94 times" he voted to raise taxes. We know that's not an accurate number, and he should have called McCain on it.
I'm voting for Obama, but last night was very frustrating, watching many opportunities slip by.
McCain is an old man who's lost his moment. Time has passed him by. Listen, I wouldn't have voted for him back in 2000 because I thought him a horrid warlord who couldn't wait to give corporate America a blow job. But he's now just sad.
I remember that moment I first felt it. I'm 48--and I remember very well the first time I realized I wasn't hip anymore, that another generation was starting to control the conversation.
Hey, it hurt. But you know what? If you're not licking your lips over some ridiculous ambition, you get over it.
Or like McCain, you get mad. And of all the seven deadly sins, anger is perhaps the most fun. To savor the thought of a confrontation yet to come, to lick your lips over lambasting someone for something. It's a meal fit for a king. Except that there's only one problem: what you're wolfing down is yourself. The skeleton at the feast is you.
Or McCain, as the case might be.
I think Chez's referring to this moment right after the debate was over when McCain came around Obama and when Obama turned to shake McCain's hand and McCain just walked off instead so Obama hand outreached just shook Ms. McCain's hand instead. I thought I was the only one to see this situation that way till I read this post. I missed it if they actually did shake hands at a later point.
Chez - I am a knuckle dragging right winger who has no difficulty acknowledging that you are likely right. Barring some unforeseen event, Obama will win comfortably. Sometime over the next three and half weeks, the race will temporarily tighten, causing no end of delight to the media who like seeing a horse race. The fundamentals of this race, however, all belong to Obama now.
This election was always going to be about change, which put the Democratic nominee in the driver's seat from the beginning. The financial crisis coming when it did was an incredible gift, cementing the change theme permanently. To the extent McCain had any chance at all, the financial crisis killed it.
All Obama has to do over the next few weeks is pass the Commander in Chief test, which amounts to looking calm, cool, and well briefed. He will ace that.
As I am sure he knows quite well, Barack Obama's problems begin on January 20. He is inheriting a horrid financial mess, leaving him zero wiggle room. In the meantime, expectations amongst Democratic partisans will be sky high. With control of both the White House and Congress, Obama is going to be expected to cure all of the nation's ills and serve the needs of every Democratic interest group. (Card check, anyone?) He will need to spend the entire transition period seriously tamping down expectations.
I only watched the first 30 minutes-I was tired, and the show was old.
A couple of points I thought were interesting-what was that weird routine McCain kept doing when he finished his answer and dropped the mic from one hand and let it slide through the other? it was just distracting, kind of like his cue to himself that he had just nailed the answer or something. Also, I thought it was weird that he didn't say Obama's name-he just kept gesturing toward him. I agree, too, that it was odd how he kept wandering around when Obama was giving his answers. I mean-I agree that he's old, but he should have known not to wander around and *look* old and confused...it was bizarre.
When I was driving into work this morning, they said on NPR that this was supposed to be McCain's shining moment because he just "loves" town-hall debates...I didn't think he shined, but he didn't fail, either. I did think it was interesting that NPR commentators were saying that after the debate, McCain almost immediately exited, and Obama stuck around and talked to people...I would have expected that both of them would have done some room-working.
To be fair, while McCain obviously shows disdain for Obama, they did shake hands before and after the debate. I'll give it to him that he was already in the mental process of directing Obama to his wife's hand.
I wouldn't categorize that as an outright snub.
As to McCain's performance, I would choose the word doddering. If I were his handler I would tell him to quit walking around. He looked like an Alzheimer's patient who wandered out of his room again. It was actually too sad to watch.
I loved the response to McCain's accusation (again) that Obama would raise taxes on the middle class and small business owner. With Obama's warm smile and slow delivery it was like a teenager explaining once again to grandpa how email works.
Doddering.
Even though the bottom chart peaked when Obama spoke, CNN's focus group, surprisingly, picked McCain when asked, "If you had to vote for a president now, who would you pick?" Then the analyst brought up the fact that many people will most likely change their minds at the voting booth because they will not get past the fact that he's black. This is something I've been fearing mostly because it's like the big elephant in the room. I mean just 6 or 7 years ago there was a resurgence of Nazi skinheads and all of a sudden the U.S. is ready to have a black president?
Do I care if he's black? No, but I have a hard time thinking that white america will overlook something that they've had such deep rooted prejudice about.
I just can't think we have it in the bag until he gets elected.
I was delighted this morning to see the Obama campaign has latched onto the "that one" remark with pins that say That One 08. Perfect response to such an offensive attack.
And speaking of attacks, McDisdain's comment that Obama would attack Pakistan was ridiculous, but clever. His repeat of it RIGHT AFTER Obama corrected him was beyond the pale...to the point it probably lost him a vote or two.
Pixtweak, If McCain wins there will be no one in the world that can convince me it was anything other than a racist win. No one.
Julie Ritchie - My son asked if there was pre-debate lessons on handling the microphone. It was very odd.
@ Dennis Prouse
Knuckle dragger? If so, you're an awfully literate one.
Even though you and I are on opposite sides of the party lines I agree with you.
I recall just enough from my childhood and from history lessons when I was older that Jimmy Carter inherited a freaking nightmare too, and didn't get a second term because of it.
...on the other hand, he's had a fanastic post-presidential career.
Look folks: DICK MORRIS said that McCain won, and if Dick says it, it must be true
McClown's repetition of "My friends" reminded me of a 1920's huckster. It was a pretty blatant attempt at manipulation and the fact that he had that old man wheeze makes me think we have a new contender for Cheney's Voldemort hat.
I can't pick on McCain for acting too old to be president. Lets get real. A man considered a "cripple" is also believed to be one of the greatest presidents of our country, FDR. However, even my 78 year old mother thought McCain looked "too old."
Wow...even geezers think the guy is too old?
One person made note of the polls and that's a good point. I don't trust them. Remember in the primaries in some states Obama would show a huge lead and then on voting day, all the white people would vote for Hillary. Like someone else, I believe this is not over until we hear Obama take the oath of office.
"My Friends" is a reflex he can't get rid of. Did you notice he didn't say "maverick" at all? Sarah made that(among other things)into a joke in her debate.
I think "That One" is being made too much of. It was rude, but not racist. He's a petulant, rude man. Notice BO always calls him "John", "Senator", or "Senator McCain" and does him the courtesy of looking at him
John McCain is the 2008 equivalent of Bob Dole.
My only question is: Who wants that job?
Every President seems to age in dog years and Obama will be no different.
The expectations for this man will be so overwhelming because we continue to eat up general election rhtoric like it is the gospel. Elections are contextual pesonality contests.
His biggest challenge will be getting some semblence of rational behavior from this Congress. After 12 years of GOP rule, I did not believe that it could be much worse, but I was wrong.
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