Saturday, September 06, 2008

A Little Perspective

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

With all due respect to Dr.King, that doesn't qualify him to be President.

Anonymous said...

It's also nothing being compared to a Minister, just saying.

Chez said...

Anon 11:18 --

No one said it did. It's merely a response to anyone stupid enough to claim that being a "community organizer" (particularly on the South Side of Chicago) isn't a real gig.

idiosynchronic said...

I don't think you darkened the so-called Dr. up enough, Chez.

Anonymous said...

That's right it doesn't make one qualified for President. In turn nobody should make light the qualifications of a governor. It sounds disingenuous to people. # of governors who became president- 16. Coming from a small town does not disqualify you either. How many of our Presidents heralded from a small town? There is a culture war going on now. You can't tell millions of people that one of their own is not qualified simply because of the size of their community. It cuts into their basic American ideal that anyone can be what they want to with enough hard work, no matter what the roots are. The Obama campaign's initial reaction to Sarah Palin only shored up the preception that he doesn't respect small town people. You don't uplift people by putting them down. Besides I don't think Palin is concerned with the urban community activist vote. Obama has that pretty much locked up. It cuts both ways. If you want to argue with her argue on policies, show her inadequacies there. The redneck and hillbilly jokes only alienate the very people whose minds you wish to persuade.

Alex McQ said...

Douche^

Chez said...

Anon 12:46 --

That's absolute crap. Honestly. Although a lot of bloggers and pundits -- myself included -- responded with shock that someone as unqualified as Palin had been chosen to potentially be a "heartbeat away from the presidency," the Obama campaign said nothing, let me repeat that -- nothing -- to dismiss or belittle Palin, her history of public service OR her small town upbringing. NOTHING. Obviously, the same can't be said about Palin (which the image on the main page serves as a response to). In the same way that Palin isn't concerned about, as you say, the conservative activist vote, I'd imagine Obama has pretty much written off the nutjob fundamentalist moron vote.

As for me, I'm not out to persuade those people either -- just call them the redneck hillbillies that they are. Sorry pal, I tried being thoughtful, logical and even-handed for quite some time and it didn't work because it never does when you're dealing with the far right, which equates using your brain with being weak. So I'm done. Wanna be an idiot? Fine. See you on election day.

Anonymous said...

The republican faithful gave an ecstatic welcome to a complete stranger. They didn't care who she was, what she'd done, or why she was there.

They were told to clap: Here's a nice piece of fish for you, clap. Vote for us or the negr ... er, "community organizers"; gays and jews - er, "elites", will kill your babies, take away your guns, and have gay sex parties with Osama Bin Laden.

And they clap. They rapturously clap. They clap like there's no tomorrow. Probably because most of think that the rapture is around the corner and there likely isn't a tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

Bill Burton from the Obama camp initial reaction to VP pick-
"Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency." Chez if you feel that saying "the former mayor of a town or 9,000" is not perceived as a put down, well that is where we differ. I merely wish to explain the perception out there. Whether or not they understood the ramifications of the wording, the bells and whistles it would set off in the minds of small town America, well I can't attest to that fact. At a time when the stakes are so high, we should all take care not to give any weapon to the other side. Not to play into the sterotypes set out by the Right. The first real chance to elect a Democrat in 8 years is not a time to be lobbing bombs. Discussions about population density and mocking rednecks add fuel to the fire. Many moderates feel that if this election is lost it will be lost because of the extreme left, who handed the Republican Convention its best weapon yet-the cultural bomb.

Anonymous said...

Chez,

I've been amazed (in the past) at your patience with the right wing trolls who feel they have the right to come to YOUR blog to spout their crap.

Good to see you telling them like it is for a change. I am going YES, YES, YES!!!!

Alex said...

Sadly, there are just too many nut-jobs on the Internet.

Chez said...

Anon 12:46/1:44 --

Surprisingly, I'm not from the extreme left. In reality, I dislike the far left as much as the far right. I'm actually pretty misanthropic, but at the moment I've seen what the far right has done to this country and have an utter disdain for it and its way of thinking.

Burton's comment was merely expressing the reality -- highlighting specifically the zero foreign policy experience. But I can see how, even though it wasn't intended to be taken this way, the comment about the small town mayorship could certainly be used against the Obama campaign (over and over again, I might add -- even after Obama and Biden themselves took the high road and left that kind of line alone). I really do understand that reaching across the aisle would be optimal in situations like these. But I reiterate that that's been tried time and time again, and over the past eight years the right -- and not even the far right, just the right in general -- has sought not to compromise with those who think differently than it but to call them traitors and threats to America and to trample them underfoot. I realize that the anger I'm experiencing now is just a reaction to that, but I feel like someone has to respond in kind. Translation: don't think for a moment that the left handed the Republicans a cultural bomb. The GOP had it all along and they've been using it since the Nixon era.

For the record, when someone takes the time to post a thoughtful comment, whether I disagree with it or not, I'd really hope that he or she would choose not to remain the ever-popular "Anonymous." Either way, though, I thank you for taking the time to read and write.

Anonymous said...

Chez-
As for remaining anonymous, well I have posted on your blog before with a link to my page. Unfortunately because I didn't always agree with the stance, some of the "exteme" that take up residence on your page have followed the link to my page. They left vile comments on my page that I share with my family. Now I do not hold this against you, anytime you post anything on the net I understand it is fair game. However, I must take my family into consideration. Being a father I am sure you can understand that. Perhaps I will set up a more political page someday, but for now I simply do not have the time.
Remember what Obama said, "Don't tell me words don't matter." That is so true now more then ever, when the prize is in site. Let us not have our words trip us up. Let us not play into stereotypes that only serve to divide us. Slash and burn is tactic of the right, not those that hope for a better tomorrow.

Chez said...

Well, on behalf of whoever did that and is unwilling to apologize, I will.

Thanks for continuing to comment.

Anonymous said...

For what it's worth - I didn't like some of the posts last week. But I love the Community Organizer/A Little Perspective post. It's a really sharp retort.

I'm likely the voter Anonymous is talking about (and I'm anonymous for reasons similar to his). I've voted for the Democratic candidate for President since . . . probably since before you were born. I don't see any good guys out there. The Congress is a mess - don't forget that it glibly allowed the Iraq war to start. So did the major media - which was too concerned about embed assignments and ratings to ask sober, serious questions. The political parties have been taken over by the hard right and the far left - and they pick the candidates and force the rest of us to choose what they give us. The bureaucracy is infiltrated by lobbyists and hard-core partisans.

I think we need a President who knows the ropes and knows them well. I'm really worried about Palin. But truthfully I'm really, really worried about Obama too. I hate this, and I often end up voting for the group that does not threaten me. And for the record, humor - even sarcasm - does not threaten me.

Chez said...

I agree with your assessment of both parties -- that they've been equally corrupted. But I will say this in defense of the Democrats (and once again for the cheap seats, I'm an Independent): while the GOP really has been hijacked for the most part by those espousing a rapture-ready, "America, Fuck Yeah!" hardline ideology (albeit one still bought and paid for by lobbyists), the truly far left have abandoned the Democrats in favor of the Green party or -- God fucking help us -- the Socialists.

Lisa said...

Ummm...not to get off the subject but...what are the candidates going to do to lower my electric bill?

Michael J. West said...

OK, I'm a latecomer to this party...but it just occurred to me that, as many volumes as the picture of MLK speaks, it would speak even more, and hit the GOP where it REALLY hurts, if the picture was of Jesus instead....

Anonymous said...

I HATE STUPID PEOPLE.

SCREW REPUBLICANS AND RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. You're living in the past if you vote for McCain. Go back and read a history book and educate yourself before your spew your vomit all over the internet.

We want our country back, morons. Get educated and stop voting against your own interests.